Our Guest
Kerri Pearson, MA, EDD, LPC
Kerri is a licensed professional counselor, as well as an LPC supervisor. She’s also the founder and director of Lakewood Counseling Center.
She began her practice in the Dallas area in 2004, where she worked in both the hospital and inpatient sector, as well as the private practice sector. Since moving to Belton, Texas in 2012, Kerri has worked in private practice, been an adjunct professor of psychology at the University of Mary Hardin Baylor, and performed adoption home studies in the local district courts.
Kerri completed her doctorate in educational leadership in May of 2018 from the University of Mary Hardin Baylor
Transcript for this episode:
Josh: Kerri, thanks so much for joining me today.
Kerri: Hi. Thanks for having me.
Josh: Yeah. I should also mention I’m a part of Kerri’s group. I think I joined in what, 20. 2019?
Kerri: Yes, you were, I think, yes, right there, not long after we started the practice in general.
Yeah.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So I was really excited when you agreed to be on the, the show simply because when I try to explain to people about how Lakewood Counseling Center is, is set up it’s kind of new, it’s a different type of model. And so I was, I was hoping that you could kind of share with people how you decided to start the group, kind of what prompted that as well as you know, why, why you decided to set things up the way that you did.
Kerri: Yeah, so just to give you a little bit of background I started like, with counseling in 2017. And my husband and I had moved to central Texas in 2012. Before that, we were in the Dallas area, and I was in private practice there. And so when we moved to this area, I started looking into hopping into private practices and so.
I had started my practice around 2004, so I’ve almost been in private practice for 20 years, which is crazy. And, and so just lots of history with, with private practice. And so we moved here and I’m looking at all the local counseling centers and And just kind of the way it was set up in this area was just on this percentage model.
And so therapists work for a group practice and they do a percentage split with like an owner and they, every month they just, they, they take home, you know, I don’t know. I mean, it ranges. Usually there’s about a 40 to 35 percent payment that they give the owner and then they take the rest home every month.
And, and so I basically just hopped into a group that that did that and had another child during that time. And so that model was good for that season of my life. But then I really was ready to go just take my practice to the next level and knew that I wanted to do more of like private practice and.
And the percent really got to where, you know, I’m giving up 35 percent of my income. And so that monthly percent was like 2, 500 a month or 3, 000 a month. And I just started noticing the amount I was giving away and realized that, you know, I could pay a mortgage on a building for what I’m paying this person.
And it just didn’t make sense for me to continue in that model. And so my husband is a real estate attorney. And so a lot of my friends are realtors and so just in hanging out with friends, they’re talking about this desk fee model that they have. And so if you wanted a desk at the realtor office, you pay a desk fee and and that affords you a desk that you can go and work at.
And so I started thinking about that. Terms of counseling, and I’m like, man, if we just had somebody start a group where everybody just paid like a flat fee, like an office fee, and all of that money just went into the pot to pay all the bills, we could all keep the lion’s share what we’re making and it just hadn’t been done yet.
And probably the like. Like, the most pivotal moment I remember was at the practice I was at. I had gone to court and drove, drove to the courthouse, sat in court all day. There’s 2 big attorneys in our area that I was just getting passed back and forth between these 2 attorneys. It was custody hearing.
And it’s the kind of situation where there’s just like. Sweat rolling down your back as you’re sitting there on the band topic. It was just such a stressful day. I left and I mean, I cried on the way home. I was like, oh my gosh, that was so much. And I got to work the next day and the owner of the group practice came in and.
He was like, Hey, so like you collected your court fee. And you know, you need to write us a check for 35 percent of that. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like they didn’t drive to court. They didn’t sit there all day with attorneys, you know? And it’s just like, that was kind of the breaking point for me. And that model of just like, I didn’t like, you know, how much I was paying.
I didn’t like feeling owned. I didn’t like. Like, I had to give so much of my money away for work that other people weren’t doing. And that’s probably some justice centered thing within me. And so that was kind of the day I was like, okay, I’ve been thinking about this whole, like, just doing like flat fee thing.
And I think I’m going to do it. And so I had an associate at the time who was finishing up her hours. She was about to her 3000 hours. So I pitched it to her, like, what if we just go and we just do our own thing and we just both pay in flat fee. And so she’s, she said she would go with me. And so I’m like, okay, so we found a little back house.
That had two bedrooms essentially and we just hopped in and before long, we had two more people hop in with us. And so that kind of maxed out the two bedroom back house that we had. So then, I started in 2018, I think, or 19 which is about when you came on, I rented a little office over in temple that had five offices.
And since we had maxed out our little house in Belton and before long, that one started filling up and I just realized that I wasn’t the only one that felt this way. And so the model really made sense for a lot of mental health workers. And so that kind of encouraged me to buy a little piece of land.
And my husband and I built a counseling office that had 11 offices in it. And, and so we could all just move in this one office was my plan. And, and so we opened that one in 2020. Which was a fantastic year to open a brand new counseling office. And so we we got started in our, our brand new Belton office.
And my plan was to shut down. Temple office that I was renting and just all be in one space. But by the end of 2020, the built in office was filling up and I realized that I was still going to need a temple space. And so we found a temple office in 2021 that’s got 14 offices in it. And and so that’s, that’s our current temple location.
And, and now that one is also at capacity. And so since then I’ve also bought a. Holding in Georgetown and and that 1 is slowly getting filled up. We just opened that 1 at the beginning of this year and we have about 5 counselors there. And so all in all, we have now we have 3 locations around 42 counselors in our group and and the model.
It just works. And we don’t we don’t have like a secretary or like administrative staff at the front. We do. Everything is. Like, we have a virtual check in where our clients check in. It sends the therapist a text. And the therapist really manage their own clients and their own caseloads. And what I like about that as, as a client, I like having direct access to my counselor.
It makes it feel a little more personalized. It makes it feel a little more like a boutique type experience. And so if if we need something with our clients, we know them, we text them. And there’s just hands on communication. And that’s that’s worked within the scope of this model. Also and so so, yeah, so that’s kind of what spurred me to start Lakewood.
That’s a little bit about our model. And so that it’s, it’s just a flat fee model. There’s not a percentage. And, and I can tell you as an owner of this model, that can be the beginning. It’s hard because you’re the one holding all the risk. If you know, you might have enough therapist to make the rent or you have to buy a 4000.
Dollar AC unit, which we’ve had to do twice now you know, it’s like that’s, that doesn’t change everybody’s summer when our electricity bill goes up to a thousand dollars a month, you know, that didn’t nobody’s flat fee changes. There, there, but you are holding that risk of any extras that come up.
You know, kind of has to come out of that pot. And so so that’s probably been the only sort of, like, challenging part of where I stand with this practice. It’s just there is that that bit of risk. But to me, the reward far outweighs the risk. I, if I had it to go back and do it again, I would do over again.
Because I love this model and I believe in this model and, and I really believe in therapists getting paid well for what they do. I believe in therapists having a beautiful space to work. I think it legitimizes their practice. I feel like all of our offices are great spaces. for therapists. And the therapist experience is really valuable to me.
Because I think when you’re taking good care of therapists, they can take really good care of their clients. And so that’s really important to me.
Josh: Yeah, I would, I would agree 100 percent with everything that you said. You know, I, I’m the type of person who has to think for a long time before making decisions like this.
And I can’t remember when you first approached me to see if I would be interested, but I did not give up. Oh, that’s right. That’s right. That was that preaching camp. I, I was really hesitant at first, simply because it’s hard for me to make big decisions like that. But one of the things that really appealed to me was that with, with this flat fee model, I’d be able to know exactly what my expenses are going to be every single month.
Right. I could say, okay, this is what I’m having to pay. If, if I don’t make that, that’s on me. I’ve got, I can work as hard as I want. And if I work harder than I need to, in order to pay that, I get to pocket everything else. It’s not like the harder I work, the more I’m going to have to pay. And that was one of the things that really appealed to me was that you know, I’m, I’m only limited by my own ambition or skills and entrepreneurial.
You know, spirit and all of that. And, and, you know, Once I decided to do that, I, I, I tell everybody it was, it was an amazing decision being able to jump on board and, you know, the, there’s a lot of perks that go with it. It’s not just the office space, but you know, the, the reception and the, you know, the definitely the, the, I guess, camaraderie.
I don’t know if that’s a good way of describing it between me and the other therapists. It’s, it’s just been a really great, great place to be.
Kerri: And one of our therapists was, she was talking to me a few weeks ago and she said, this really is the best of both worlds because you have the benefit of truly being in private practice.
So, you know, a lot of our therapists have their own LLCs, their own branding, their own websites their own marketing. They just all. It’s out of Lakewood. It’s like yours, Josh Kellar, counseling or the therapist collective. It’s just like you office out of Lakewood, but you still own your own business.
So, it’s like the benefit of kind of having, like, your own gig, but also the benefit of being in a group practice. And so our group does collaborate a lot. We have a group me that we’re always sending things out on to each other referrals or getting information, or sometimes it’s just funny. Memes. And it’s a fun group.
We try to get together a couple of times a year. We do our family picnic every summer. I try to do a Christmas party every Christmas time. And and so it’s, you know, it’s, it’s a fun group and it’s. It’s a neat experience, I think, for the therapist and I, the therapist, I’ve enjoyed it.
Josh: So, yeah, yeah, definitely.
So, you know, going from the two of you in 2017 to now over 40 therapists, that’s pretty. pretty incredible growth over the last five, six years. When, when you’re talking with therapists who are either considering this or you’d love to, to onboard them, what are some of the questions or, you know, the difficulties that they have or that they, that they feel like, okay, I need, I need this question answered in order for me to feel great about making this decision.
Kerri: Right. So I, I think. Some of the barriers that I see therapists, you know, bring up when they talk about transitioning into private practice. The 1st, 1 is just there’s a, there’s a situation like, you have to spend money before you’re making money. And so there’s the process of getting credentialed if you’re going to take insurance.
And then it’s paying my rent for my office while I’m trying to build my clients. There’s just this sort of onboarding process that is expensive and, and there’s no rhyme or reason or idea or control over when am I going to actually start making money that this is going to level out. And so when I have therapists that that that’s their situation, I typically work with them.
I typically give them a break. On their 1st, couple of months of rent to kind of get their book filled and then once their books are full we go to full rent just to kind of help offset just those initial expenses and part of the reason I do that is just, you know, when I was. Things started in a little backhouse.
My landlord worked with me on on, you know, giving me a break on, on rent to get me going. And had that not happened, I don’t know that I would have been able to get started. Yeah, and so. So anyway, so I think finances be a barrier that that hold people back. It’s scary. It’s scary to to not everybody is entrepreneurial.
And so it’s very to hop into something that’s unknown. It’s not a set paycheck. And so I think that just the unknown, the, the change that happens with shifting into this can hold people back. And then, you know, I mean, like getting clients and so that’s always a fear is like, am I going to be able to get clients?
1 of the, you know, 1 of the situations going on in our area is bell county is really underserved in mental health. And so. So typically we, you know, we don’t have a shortage of clients. And and so it’s people’s books tend to fill up relatively quickly, especially if they’re able to take insurance and they take.
Specific panels that are popular in our area. We can usually get their books pretty cool, pretty fast. And I don’t think that’s unique to Lakewood. Probably all the counseling centers in our area have their phones ringing off the hook just like we do. And so, but I think that’s a fear of people coming in.
It’s like, am I going to be able to get clients? But that’s one of the benefits of being in a bigger group practice is we have that market. Being is already out there and that’s part of life. When I say people pay their rent, you know, it’s yes. You’re paying your like for your office, but you’re paying for so much more.
I mean, it’s if you were going to go into private practice, you would write 6 or 7 checks a month. I mean, you would, you would pay for your office and then, you know, electric internet supplies. You’re cleaning people. Your marketing, your website, your, I mean, just all the different costs that happen every month.
And so, you know, the rent covers all of that in one payment. And so so we have the, the online presence, we sponsor local school events. We, I mean, our name is just out in the community. And so I think that helps people find us. And then I think that helps build people’s books quicker. So yeah. Yeah.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and really Lakewood has a, has a very good name in the community. It was actually best of, it was number one on best of the best.
Kerri: We are, we are, locals love us.
Josh: Locals love us, that’s what it was. Yes.
Kerri: And so, and we do, we get a lot of good feedback. We’re not perfect. But we have really quality therapists in our group.
That’s been really important to me. Is just kind of sifting out you know, People that I view as, you know, being able to do quality work. I think the caliber of therapist is important to me at Lakewood. And so I do think we have a really strong group and I get friends and family reaching out to me all the time looking for counseling.
And I have no problem referring my friends and family to people at Lakewood. And so, so, yeah, so that’s been something, but I, you know, I think people coming in with those barriers, I try to meet them in that space of whether it’s I can curb rent. We have referrals coming in. We can help you find clients.
I try to help people find that they need a biller or somebody to help them get credentialed. I try to help them with them with somebody. I mean, I really try. As I’m people are onboarding to help, like, meet them in that place and overcome some of those barriers that would maybe stop them from being in private practice.
And I think that’s part of why our group has grown so much in the last. You know, several years is it’s just working with people to get them on boarded. Yeah. So.
Josh: Yeah, I think, I think people are eager to, to join the group as well, you know, I, I’ve talked with several therapists from the area who, who are trying to consider if this private practice thing is for them and you know, they, they’ll comment, Oh, I’d love to be at Lakewood or something like that.
And of course I was encouraged them to talk to you. But one of the things that. That I, that I’ve noticed is that some therapists will, will just jump right in and they’ll feel good just being a part of Lakewood and with the built in referral base. And then there are others who spend a little bit more time kind of developing their own.
Do you think that A model like this could work for therapists, like for the entire group, not to have to do any sort of outside marketing if, if Lakewood were to, you know, to, to try to make sure that we’ve got plenty of clients. Right. I know, like you said, in this area, there’s not a shortage of clients, but could the model work if, if people.
Didn’t want to have to do any of their own marketing didn’t want to have to build their own site, but still wanted to have an independent.
Kerri: Yeah, that’s a good question. So I would say out of our, you know, 40 counselors probably about. 60 percent of them don’t have their own website. Don’t have their own marketing.
Don’t I mean, definitely, you know, less than half have their own marketing and branding and, you know, that kind of thing. And so I, I, I definitely have seen this be successful for people that all they have is their presence on the liquid website. And majority of our counselors, that’s all they have is their presence on the liquid website.
And, you know, and, and part of that, I think it’s just sort of like grassroots referrals. Like, they do a good job. And so their clients for their, their friends and family to them. And then, you know, word gets out and and so people don’t have a hard time filling up their books. Right. Without doing their own, even doing their own LLC.
So I always give people the option when they, they’re coming on is, you know, you can do your own LLC and your credential under your tax ID number, and you’ll set up a bank account under your tax ID number. And that’s like your business entity, or you can do it under your social security number. You can, you can credential under your social.
Security number, you can set up a bank account on your social security number. There’s not that layer of protection that you get within LLC. And I would say, you know, majority of our people, they’re just under there. I mean, they’re not under a tax ID number. They’re just under their social security person.
So and so I think the model can work both ways. I just like the autonomy that it affords people who want to do their own business, who want to do their own LLP. And part of that is because I’m entrepreneurial and I appreciate that. And I like the freedom of feeling like I could set up Pearson Counseling if I wanted and take the ball and run.
I don’t want people to ever feel owned. I don’t want people to ever feel like I own their practice or their work. I don’t touch anybody’s money. I don’t, you know, it’s every, everybody truly owns their own gig. And that’s really valuable to me personally. And so I’ve, I’ve tried to really respect that with all the counselors coming on that they can kind of choose either way.
Josh: Right. Yeah. One of the things that I’ve appreciated just about working with you in particular is that you, you are just as hands on as people need you to be, but you’re not going to overstep because you’re not managing people, right? Because you’re not in charge of their practice. It’s not your responsibility to make sure that they’re happy.
You know, doing well or, you know, following through, obviously, we want, we want to make sure that Lakewood, you know, has a good name and we don’t want people doing anything that’s gonna taint that, but when it comes to your role with the therapist, you’re not the boss. Right.
Kerri: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m the boss of you.
I’m just kidding. I, yeah, I’m not the boss, which I, I I don’t want that role. I don’t want to be the boss. I don’t, I don’t feel like entitled to that. Yeah. But I’ll say that I’m not, I don’t at all tell people how to run their practices. I don’t tell them whether they, what insurances they have to take or if they decide to go cash pay.
Yeah. You know, you do. You like, if that’s what you wanna do, go for it. Sure. Or if you wanna do an extra training or here and there, go for. You know I’m, I’m all about supporting everybody and their own goals and their own dreams, but, you know, we have had, we have had counselors that we on board and then I don’t.
I don’t feel like they’re representing Lakewood the way I would like maybe I don’t feel like they’re offering quality counseling or maybe they’re not getting back to their, their clients are reaching out to me on a regular basis because they’re emailing. Calling in the therapist isn’t responding service and responding to clients is really important to me.
And so after multiple conversations, if it’s still going on, I do, I have had to let people go from Lakewood and part of me for protecting the group and protecting the name and. And that’s never an easy conversation to have. I’m I don’t enjoy that at all. But I know that it’s important and it does come with the territory of kind of being the owner.
And so and just kind of having standards on what I expect from therapist at Lakewood. So it’s like, I’m pretty hands off and I allow complete autonomy for people until I, unless I think that. They’re doing our group a disservice, and then I do step in.
Josh: Right, right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, and I, I think that’s totally appropriate, especially because you have worked really hard to build this Right.
And to create it. And, and it, and it really is amazing. It’s amazing to be a part of. And you know, the privilege of being able to be with Lakewood, you know, it, I, I feel a, not that I, that I owe it, but I’m proud of what we’ve done here. I’m proud to have been a part of this. Not since the very beginning.
I wish I would have, would have been a more early adopter than I was. But my,
Kerri: I think you’ve worked in all the offices. You’ve been in almost, except for the back house. You’ve been in the back house.
Josh: That’s true. I have moved around a few times, but I love my office now. I think it’s wonderful. So, so where, where does Lakewood Counseling Center go from here?
What’s what’s next for you? Do you feel like you’re going to continue scaling and building or is that top secret or what do you feel is on the horizon?
Kerri: Yeah, that’s a great question. And honestly, I don’t I don’t even know that. I know the answer to that question. I mean, it’s kind of just. I’ve kind of allowed it to just be what it is.
And just, like, as I’ve seen a need, we just, okay, let’s try this or let’s, let’s open an office here or there. We are officially at capacity in Belton. I have 1 spot left in the temple office. I’m meeting with the counselor later this week who I think might take that spot. It’s actually a psychiatrist that I’m meeting with later this week.
And and then we will be. At capacity for belt and temple so that’s kind of my next question is, do I, do I try a Harker heights office? Do we keep going? Do we just say we’re in that? That’s the that’s it? My worry thought, you know, I love the idea of thinking about, like, okay, we’re this is our group and we’re good.
But I. I like that when people call in, we can try to accommodate them. I like that when people call in, we have therapists, we’ve been, we’ve onboarded this last slew of counselors. And so, yes, we can get you in. They can get you in, in a couple of weeks. But the thought of people calling in, you know, eventually this group is going to be at capacity if we’re not bringing new people on.
And so I hate for our community. Like people calling and being like, oh, sorry, we’re full. Oh, sorry. Nobody’s taking me. And so I don’t know if that’s like the 2 and me or what that fills this need to life. No, like, how can we help? Or what if we open another 1 or how can we keep onboarding for? So that, you know, they have this space.
We have them in our group and then they also, we can be this resource for the community. And so the thought of it filling up and then the therapist filling up. Probably will drive me to open another one eventually. So but I don’t have any plans right now to open one. But I could see that becoming more and more pressing on me in time.
Josh: So, yeah. That’s, that’s exciting. That’s, it’s, it’s just neat to be a part of, so. Yeah, I’m excited to be a part. Yeah. One, one other question. You know, because a lot of our conversation is centered on therapists who are considering joining a group like this. Suppose there’s someone listening who has thought about starting a group and has, has heard about this model and has said, okay, I think that this might work for me.
Any words of advice or caution as they’re considering starting something along this line?
Kerri: Yeah, I have, you know, I’ve had therapists come in and meet with me over the years, not because they want to join Lakewood, but because they want to start something like Lakewood and I’m, I mean, there’s my model is not secret.
I mean, there’s nothing proprietary here that I own or, you know and I would say the first step is finding a space. In my experience, yeah. Owning the space over renting the space is going to be better. You’re going to make more money. Mortgages are always cheaper than rental rates. And so, you know, if you’re renting a space that’s got.
Seven or eight offices in it your break even is not going to be very good. And so if you can own the space, you’re probably going to have a little bit more money to put into that pot for when the AC unit goes out or when there’s extra bills or the roof is leaking or, you know, you name it, right.
There’s all kinds of things that happen. And so that’s usually where I tell people to start is you probably need to find or build an office, a therapy office that you can, you can own, that you can work. In order to make the numbers work. I also think they need to have at least 10 offices in it to make the numbers work.
And in terms of it, covering your expenses, and then having a little bit of a surplus to stash away. And for me, you know. For me, Lakewood is it’s not about and maybe this kind of deters people sometimes, but it’s not about me making a lot of money, like, right now on practice, like, my, my accountant came to me a couple of weeks ago and said, you know, there’s other counseling centers in our area.
I do this percent model. And I was like, Oh, I know that is a soapbox. If you would like me to get on it. And I can’t, I can’t do it. I don’t believe in it. I don’t believe in making money off of therapist. Therapists don’t make that much money as it is. You know, I just can’t do it. And fundamentally, like, that would have to be in you.
Like, you would have to like, really like. Like, that would, you would have to really believe in that, you know, that this is a better model because you can make more money the other way. But for me, what I’m doing is, I bought these buildings, and then I’m paying these buildings down, and I’m not, I’m not making big poofs of money on this.
This business right now, I’m paying these buildings down and basically, this is my retirement. I mean, I bought these buildings when I was 40. So, by the time I’m 60, they’ll be paid off and then, you know, collecting rent on these buildings, whether it’s through Lakewood or Lakewood. Is gone by then. I have no idea.
Hopefully it’s not. But you know, this is these, I have these paid off buildings that I can get and come from. And so this is a slow drip. This is a long game for me. And it’s not that I’m making a ton of money right now, but this is. setting me up for later in life. I don’t have a 401k. I don’t, you know, I, I don’t, I’m a therapist.
I’ve been a therapist for 20 years. And so my retirement plan is these buildings that we’re all in and that we’re paying down. So it’s like, yeah, so it’s, it’s like, it’s not, I don’t know if that, that works for everybody. So no,
Josh: but that’s a helpful perspective, you know, cause a lot of people don’t think about all of the the things like that, you know, would it be better to rent or, or own?
So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anything else that you would just if you had a last word of advice to a therapist that’s wanting to, to start to join a group like this, any other just things that you, you think, okay, this is another thing that I hear from everybody that Would just really be important to, to point out or address.
Kerri: I just think private practice is so fun and it’s it is so nice to own your own gig and to to just have the autonomy and the freedom to, to do your business the way you want. I can’t encourage people enough to go for it. And I, I know there’s some barriers there, but I think trying to figure out ways around those barriers or, or you know, talking to people like you, or learning more about private practice to help with that.
But I just. I can’t encourage people enough that it is private practice is just it is worth it. It’s worth trying. It’s worth hopping out there just because it’s it it’s very rewarding line of work and And so I just always try to encourage people to go for it. I mean, it’s why, I mean, if it’s a dream you’ve had, if it’s something you’ve considered doing why not?
Like, like, you know, it’s life is too short to not just go for it.
Josh: And there’s plenty of ways to equip yourself in, in all the areas that, that you may feel like you, you lack some skills and, yeah. Get in and talk to people that are in private practice. Right. Learn how they did it. And there’s, there are 25 different ways to do it.
Kerri: There’s not just one way to do this. And for learning which ways work for you are good. But it’s. It’s worth it just to go for it. It’s just it is so rewarding. It’s so nice to be able to set your schedule or if you need to be off for a couple of weeks for a vacation, like nobody, nobody’s like, lording over you or to be able to manage your budget and finances to be able to offer extra trainings to make extra money for things.
I mean, just let me. There are many benefits of doing it. And I, I love private practice. I, I have no regrets about doing it. I wish I had started Lakewood sooner. I was nervous to start private practice myself. And part of that was, I felt like. And I don’t know why I thought this. I thought that I needed to be able to counsel every single type of human in the world.
And I was like, Oh, I don’t work with kids. So I can’t start a private practice because what if a kid calls like somebody wants to get their kid in and I can’t see their kid? And so I don’t think I could start private practice. And I don’t know why I thought I had to be all things to all people. And so I felt like I needed a partner to start it with me, or I needed someone to go in with me that could like work with the areas I didn’t work with.
And at some point, I just got over that idea. And you don’t have to be all things to all people. You don’t have to treat all types of situations and all demographics of people. You just, you just do what you’re good at. And that’s all you offer.
Josh: So, yeah, right. And surround yourself with people who can do those things.
You know, having a really diverse group of providers that that address it all. So, okay, thanks so much for joining me today. This has been a lot of fun. And I’m guessing there’s some therapists here at Lakewood that would love to hear this and just kind of hear the backstory behind how it got it started as well as well.
I’m going to be sure to share this with them as well.
Kerri: Yeah, send it out on the group. Yeah,
Josh: yeah, we’ll do that. Okay, well, thanks so much. Hope you have a great rest of the day.
Kerri: Thank you, Josh. You have a good day.